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About the Witnesses: the Internal Time Clock

The trouble with witnesses can be a headache where accuracy is concerned; add time estimation and you’ve a hit or miss situation at best.

Here’s why:

We all know a person that’s habitually late; then there’s the Johnny-on-the-spots that are always on time, and still, there’s folks who are ten minutes early for everything. And still yet, are those that set their clocks five to fifteen minutes early.

 It’s these habitual variables that make determining exact times an inexact science.

I’ve only been able to determine that one witness was a Sun-Drop truck driver; the other motorist has been described as driving both a car and truck–depending on which report you’re perusing. I’m inclined to believe a truck driver would be more time-conscious than a typical motorist with all the logging they do.

But why is all that info important?

It’s very important.

The sightings were reported as being 3:45 and 4:15 a.m.. It’s these ’rounded’ time frames that are cause for concern, as they’re subject to the aforementioned very-individual habits.  Notice the times don’t reflect an exact quality, like 3:47 or 4:12.  Since typically, time is remembered in multiples of five, I’d love to know the precise times down to the minute. With investigations of this magnitude, a time line  is crucial.

For example:

Suppose you ask a random person on the street what time it is; you may get a person that rounds time upward, say, 3:11 gets rounded to 3:15, while another person may quote a rounded down time of 3:00.  Together, you’ve a difference of five minutes.

You may be thinking, ‘What’s the big deal?’ 

Well, with the times reported, we see a thirty minute span of time. But a more precise model, like the 3:47 and 4:12 example above, is 25 minutes. If each witness is off by a few minutes; still, we could even see a time span that is off up to ten minutes.

In ten minutes a person can drive 10 miles on HWY 18, uninterrupted at 60 MPH.

Now, that’s a problem and can lead to a skewed result.

Did investigators ask these witnesses how they manage their time on a day-to-day basis? Are their clocks accurate; are they set ahead? Do they run late or early? Do they have an analog (with hands) or digital (lighted numbers) timepieces? What timepiece did the witnesses use–a vehicle clock, wristwatch or  cell phone clock?

Page Poser: Do you know anyone who sets their clocks ahead?  Do you feel confident that investigators inquired about witnesses’ time-keeping practices?

An article worthy of your time (no pun intended):

 

http://www.dan.sperber.fr/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/telling-the-time.pdf

 

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11 Comments

  1. Alia says:

    I am truly awed (impressed is not a strong enough word) at your dedication and perseverance in this case. You’ve thought it all through, in a case that I wasn’t able to make heads nor tails of. Reading along with your theory, it is one that seems quite plausible. The only part that gives me questions is how did the abductor convince Asha to get dressed in her white jeans and long-sleeved top and then give a story convincing enough to make her walk any distance at all on that dark and stormy highway? Certainly nothing connected with a secret surprise, I would think. Or, at this point, was she being outright threatened with harm if she did not do these things?

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    • findingasha says:

      Hi Alia, Thanks so much for caring about Asha and trying to figure this mystery out. Because I believe she was in her nightgown on her porch/stoop–any exit, really–and wearing her white sneakers, she had to be manipulated. I’ve begun a new page based on your insight (thanks very much!) which I’ll post in the next few days. I do believe whoever told her what to pack was familiar with her clothing, so the dialogue most likely was planned. I speculate that, like most abductors,it was easy for him to criticize and manipulate such an obedient child who liked to please others. He may have (and this is my opinion, not known fact) simply told her to put on warmer clothing, then used criticism to have her walk and be seen. Often, abductors tell the child they’ve done something wrong; hence they’re having to do something–whatever needs to benefit the plan–say, walk as ‘punishment’ for messing up. Often, the manipulation is followed by a promise of taking a child home or some other favorable (to the child) lie. It’s hard to speculate here, as I personally don’t want to ‘go there’ at that moment or lead anyone into thinking I have inside information, which I don’t. Based on the stable homelife and so many constants (same family residence same church, same school, etc.) it’s easy to see that Asha’s world is very small and predictable with no oddities, like strangers coming and going in her life, that this offender was most likely a trusted individual capable of knowing what motivates her. I know this is a short reply but I’ll expound on it later.
      Thanks for giving your thoughts; they set my wheels in motion as you’ll see later!
      ~Wendy

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  2. Jennifer sanders says:

    you will be truly blessed for your dedication to this case. I moved to North Carolina 8 years ago however it was 9 years ago that I first learned of her missing Parents when I came down here to visit my family. I myself have done some digging some research in some questioning on the disappearance.it is possible that they knew the girl and the family.then again maybe not. for a young girl to leave her home at night is a huge mystery.my daughter will be 8 years old soon she would not just walk out the door or be lured by stranger. I pray we all find answers in the family gets the rest and peace. what she abducted, harmed, brainwashed, raised as someone else’s kid? there’s just so many questions and mystery behind the whole disappearance. For her to have been packed is it possible this was a plan action arranged prior to the day she disappeared.could she have been told what to pack and when to meet them and where

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    • findingasha says:

      I’m not anywhere near ‘done’ looking into Asha’s whereabouts; for better or worse, my blessing will be helping find answers for her family. Like you, I can’t be convinced a pre-adolescent, HAPPY child would leave her warm home and brave the torrential, near-freezing winter rain. That backpack was a planned event orchestrated by an adult Asha knew and the family trusted. I hope someone will come forward, confess, and prove they’re not a monster but made a terrible mistake.

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  3. Linda B says:

    What ever happened to the coach? I have always said that she was lured from the home by someone she completely trusted. A child this age with her fears just does not go out in the dark, alone. A child raised up in church would not run away and cause pain to her family. Speaking of church, were all church members checked out thoroughly? That is one place where “monsters” can hide all the while gaining the trust of the child and her family.

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    • findingasha says:

      Hi Linda,
      I appreciate your insight and comments on my blog and I’ve sent you a private email. 🙂

      You are spot-on with your questions and I am so frustrated that law enforcement isn’t ‘seeing’ what so many of us can.
      I’m not sure if you’re local to Shelby, NC but I don’t think everyone has been thoroughly looked into, or we all wouldn’t
      be shaking our heads as we are.

      There are so many things I wish I could say on the blog. I wish I could share what I’ve been told by others, but
      I’m ‘not there’ just yet.

      In the meantime, I’m asking everyone for what they may know or have heard; it doesn’t matter how small the information.
      Little bits are received, sometimes I’ll get ‘bigger’ pieces of info, but I believe it will piece together nicely!

      Thanks again for caring about Asha

      ~Wendy

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  4. Barbara Martin says:

    This has intrigued me even further. I am going to go tomorrow and actually drive in daylight hours to the areas to get a better idea in my head of the area. I am also going to go by the Cleveland County Sherriff’s department and inquire on the status of the case. Godspeed Asha… You are not forgotten!

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  5. Joelle says:

    Hi Wendy,

    First of all, I want to thank you for giving so much time and effort into finding Asha. I think your theories are very interesting! I’m outside the US but I learned about this case few years ago and I just Google from time to time to see if there has been any break in the case. That’s how I came upon your blog and I’m very glad I did. This case is so terrifying, especially with the theory you’ve come up too, and it makes me think that really nothing can be as it seems if you try to look at a different angle.

    I have few questions…

    1- I know this theory has been talked about previously in other website, but what do you think about the sleepwalking possibility? Do you think she might have got up, packed some clothes in her bag (maybe her favorite pieces), and went out without proper winter clothes because she just wasn’t aware of what she was doing? I know it’s far-fetched but I feel anything could also be at this point… And she would have met foul play afterwards?

    2- I know I’ve read somewhere in your pages that the nightgown was missing from her home. I’ve never seen this info anywhere else. Are we totally confident it’s the case? I think it’s an important piece of information because then it would support your nightgown-on-the-porch theory. Just wanted to be sure…

    3- Something I was wondering about is if, in fact, some monster convinced her to meet him on her porch our somewhere close to her home at some point during the night, how could he be so sure that she wouldn’t oversleep and that she would be able to make it? I’ve read the fact that her sleeping on the couch so late may be an indication that she had some other plans later and that she would have to be “awaken” at some time, but can a nine-year old girl really think as much ahead? Did she have a time clock in her room that could have shown it was time to go? (Without being a ringing alarm, of course)…

    4- It was said that her black and beige backpack was made of nylon, and that this material would have made some sound if she packed her things right before she went out the door. Does that mean that she would’ve to packed everything few days before or even the night before? If so, and if this was suggested by the person who convinced her to do so, wasn’t it risky that her parents could find it? Wasn’t this a risky thing to do for her to pack it before, so that if her parents found it they would question her about the presence of these clothes in her school bag? Then she would have to talk about the “plan”?

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    • findingasha says:

      Hi Joelle,
      Wow, that’s some thinking you’ve been doing with this thought-provoking comment!

      I’ll go in the order you presented your questions. So, here we go:

      1- I know this theory has been talked about previously in other website, but what do you think about the sleepwalking possibility? Do you think she might have got up, packed some clothes in her bag (maybe her favorite pieces), and went out without proper winter clothes because she just wasn’t aware of what she was doing? I know it’s far-fetched but I feel anything could also be at this point… And she would have met foul play afterwards?

      You’re not the only person who has brought up this theory and it prompted me to make yesterday’s post all about why sleepwalking isn’t part of the theory possibilities–and trust me, I’ve had tom learn more about sleep cycles than I cared to–but I don’t get to choose what I want to theorize. You’ll find the post link on the right side of the page where it says, ‘Latest Posts’

      2- I know I’ve read somewhere in your pages that the nightgown was missing from her home. I’ve never seen this info anywhere else. Are we totally confident it’s the case? I think it’s an important piece of information because then it would support your nightgown-on-the-porch theory. Just wanted to be sure…

      Honestly, there is nothing on my pages here that is 100%, but I give the nightgown on the stoop (or some very-near-her-house place) theory a VERY high probability. I factored in: Asha’s brother’s report/what he saw and what time, Asha’s psychological state (her fears and willingness to please/be liked), sleep cycles confirmed by a sleep expert, and a timeline that is getting more complex as it grows. Obviously, I can’t be too detailed here. I don’t want anyone to come to a ‘conclusion’ based upon my blog and go public with who/what they think. It would be awful for someone to point at my blog, and point at a person wrongly.

      3- Something I was wondering about is if, in fact, some monster convinced her to meet him on her porch our somewhere close to her home at some point during the night, how could he be so sure that she wouldn’t oversleep and that she would be able to make it? I’ve read the fact that her sleeping on the couch so late may be an indication that she had some other plans later and that she would have to be “awaken” at some time, but can a nine-year old girl really think as much ahead? Did she have a time clock in her room that could have shown it was time to go? (Without being a ringing alarm, of course)…

      Good question, Noelle. Another horrible thing I had to study (beyond my college degree) is the child molester’s mind. FIRST, please know I am NOT saying what IS for sure; rather, it’s what I came to believe over the course of much work.

      These monsters are full-time operators. the world is their shopping mall and they’re shopping their every waking hour. It’s only natural for us to wonder if a child can set his/her clock for an event, a meet-up. But what’s really going on, is the monster sets HIS/HER clock for the child. What I mean is he/they are willing to wait on the child, no matter how long.

      I’ve seen a lot of talk about Asha lying on the couch past her normal bedtime. Was she excited for a happy event, too excited to sleep (like kids at Christmas)? Maybe. But her leaving out in the middle of a torrential downpour better supports a prearranged event having to do with a specific date, like her parents’ anniversary. Otherwise, a nice, warm night would make better sense for all. I believe the monster(s) waited for the child. I don’t want to include her name in that last sentence; it’s too painful and not yet formally authenticated.

      4- It was said that her black and beige backpack was made of nylon, and that this material would have made some sound if she packed her things right before she went out the door. Does that mean that she would’ve to packed everything few days before or even the night before? If so, and if this was suggested by the person who convinced her to do so, wasn’t it risky that her parents could find it? Wasn’t this a risky thing to do for her to pack it before, so that if her parents found it they would question her about the presence of these clothes in her school bag? Then she would have to talk about the “plan”?

      You are very insightful, Noelle, and I’m going to answer just part of the question because a full answer would mean revealing what I’ll call ‘identifiers’ that I’m including in a package for a group of cold case volunteers with lots of law enforcement under their belts.

      Yes, packing in such a way would be risky. I don’t believe just the bookbag/backpack held her things. That’s all I can say. I get asked similar backpack questions–though not so thoughtful, thorough and insightful as yours, Noelle!

      5-Question Omitted

      I have had to omit this question altogether due to its detail, and will send a private email. I want others to know that I do acknowledge all questions, as that’s how things get solved: through teamwork and many minds. Occasionally, a question comes along that’s pretty ‘on-the-mark’ or brings a very good point to an area that’s lacking.

      6- Question omitted.

      You’ve done a great job dissecting the information in the blog, Joelle. Keep up with them and look for my email. 🙂

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  6. Patrice says:

    God bless you for your efforts in the search for Asha and for your dedication to the Degree family. I often wonder (as a mom myself) how difficult it has to be to “not know” anything. I always think of her, especially when the anniversary of her disappearance rolls around and she’s still not home where she belongs. I’ve followed the case over the years and can’t help but wonder if LE did ALL that they could to help find this baby. As I read over certain details i’m left thinking that there was more that could have and should have been done. I wonder if this case taken seriously from day one? If it were my child I would not want one stone left unturned.
    In the past I saw that the family remained in the same home for Asha’s sake, is that still the case?

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    • findingasha says:

      Hi Patrice,
      Thank you for your kind words of encouragement! I can’t fathom how difficult, being a mom as well, it is not knowing
      anything as you say. I can only speak to the strength the Degrees must have, and I respect them highly.

      I don’t know about local LE these days, but I don’t think enough was done to preserve the home, the yard, and the street. Reports show folks, friends and church members–from all over–converged upon the property from day one. Another BIG problem was the items found in the shed–BY THE HOME/BUSINESS OWNER! If Ms. Turner found those items on Tuesday MORNING, that means her property, where Asha was last seen, was NOT searched and/or she was not asked to look in her shed! WHAAAAT?!

      Let’s see: a little girl WHO IS MISSING is last seen VERY NEAR the Turner driveway and NO ONE from LE bothers to tap on their door and ask if they can look around?! It’s not a matter of hindsight; it’s common sense. Ms. Turner found the items but didn’t relate them to Asha which means Turner wasn’t asked to look for anything related to the little girl who EVERYONE is looking night and day for.

      I grow more and more frustrated with that one.

      Yes, you are right, the Degrees still live in the same home. It’s quite admirable and selfless of them both. I don’t know the Degrees personally, but their efforts sure are deserving of the best.

      Thanks so much for your thoughts and comments, Patrice.

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